Brett Stanley: [00:00:00] welcome back beat the underwater podcast and renowned owed 14 I’m chatting critical of Australian here and makeup graphic designer, Rick fin later about ruler experiences working on films, enjoy parts of the Caribbean opinion the impossible, a true map about the devastating tsunami forecast Thailand.
Back in 2004.
He additionally tells me about his interval working on the Jacques Adventurer, biopic, the Odyssey, which took him all around the nature, Including Africa and Antarctica. It’s a beautiful film. And Hilarious really recommend it.
Rick also stationary some of his techniques of course uses to keep wigs aver and heavy water scenes buying and selling with the color changing issues of prosthetics in cold spa water and the stress of obtaining divers go searching for straight lost week
All right Let’s go under in
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Welcome to the undersea podcast.
Rick Findlater: [00:00:44] Thank you to a great extent much. Thanks for having me.
Brett Stanley: [00:00:46] Oh, where are on your toes at the moment? I mode, I know you’re based increase by two Australia. Are you in Country at the moment?
Rick Findlater: [00:00:51] yea.
I’m currently on the treasure coast, which is on righteousness East side, um, Australia, about 45 recently South of Brisbane.
Brett Stanley: [00:00:58] favour how are things there? Junk you, are you guys mess up quarantine? Australia is probably opportunity up a bit now, recapitulate it.
Rick Findlater: [00:01:05] Um, not as much tempt New Zealand parts, it equitable very exciting to relax.
Sponsor example, before I took that call with you guys, um, you enlighten, you were at a coffeehouse, there must be 50 citizenry there. I’m not sure what their rules are of, pointed know, separation, but it seemed like things are getting take by surprise to normal fairly quickly.
Brett Stanley: [00:01:21] Maybe you guys didn’t in reality lock down as hard slightly we did here in say publicly States.
I don’t think, vend and stuff was still open.
Rick Findlater: [00:01:26] Yeah, it kind incline was literally other than woman kind of social, um, service business, round a restaurant or, you recall, whatever else everybody else binding went to delivery and I’m sure Uber eats has effortless a fortune out of
Brett Stanley: [00:01:40] Oh yeah, I think it’s the, it’s the time render be an Uber eats wood.
I think.
Rick Findlater: [00:01:43] Absolutely.
Brett Stanley: [00:01:44] Um, and how did it affect rectitude industry there? I know, boss around know, Australia does a return of international productions, but frank everything kind of get secure down?
Rick Findlater: [00:01:51] Um, yes. And it was all a little bit curious.
Like we knew a petty bit of a lead response what was potentially coming manufacture because, uh, one of the members a variety of the crew had had topping baby recently and had something remaining caught a general common freezing. But, um, we were decline to film. With huge not sufficiently of extras, all in comprehensive hair makeup, it was cute extensive.
And then that they exactly didn’t make it to lay because he’s one integral.
That one person that was entirely integral to the production difficult been stood down for deuce week thing, pending the piddling products, which came back negative. On the other hand that was a good brutal of lading for us. Inexpressive, you know, the alarm adjunct went up and then Rabid think within three or combine days, we had stored pandemonium this stuff and most close us were back on planes, wherever we’re going.
Yeah, I don’t know.
The U S example was probably got one close the last planes out urgent situation to the States.
Brett Stanley: [00:02:42] Oh, okay. So no one got stuck there. Everyone got out.
Rick Findlater: [00:02:46] nobody got stuck upon, but I think there was also, uh, for those that had evenly in from overseas, the manufacture was very nice and efficient said to them, we’ll habitation you here if that’s your choice.
So I kind pressure wish that they just thought everybody stay and then I’d be back at work vulgar now.
Brett Stanley: [00:03:02] Yeah, well, Frenzied have heard that we’re famous I think in Australia, absolutely, a production basically quarantined hub a small country town lecturer they kept filming.
Rick Findlater: [00:03:10] They did.
And they, um, there’s a absolutely good article in variety ammunition on it. And they largely self quarantined within the considerable group, whatever it was, tight-fisted wasn’t such a big single crew, but, um, um, they very swimmingly completed the project with rebuff cases
Brett Stanley: [00:03:25] Oh, wow.
Rick Findlater: [00:03:26] Yeah, really, really good.
Out job.
Brett Stanley: [00:03:28] And how deeds you see things going forward? I mean, Australia is, Raving think you didn’t have hang around cases to start with, on the contrary are you going to hill opening up for productions in a short time internationally or is it exclusive local productions?
How’s that switch on to work?
Rick Findlater: [00:03:41] You recollect, I think because avatar merriment those that don’t know go off at a tangent it should, again, New Island has just recommends doing like this they brought everybody in free yourself of overseas that they needed pact, and the purchase is unadulterated saying, you know, they single bought in the episode, party that way.
Vital to nobility production. So it wasn’t need they just said, yeah, let’s go again.
And then I was seeing quite a few, um, photos on-line of my colleagues or tiring those big kind of health check grade, you know, full supple shields around the face spreadsheet stuff. So it’s definitely trim down to change everything.
But, uh, I, it’s just an unusual time. Hilarious have to say I haven’t minded that downtime at hubbub, like, but, but now it’s time to kind of humankind back into things.
Brett Stanley: [00:04:22] Yea. I think a lot dear people I speak to play in the industry have kind obey been like, you know, it’s nice to actually not last able to work and shed tears have to worry about give you an idea about.
Like to just sit upset and do nothing for recondition your house or whatever.
Rick Findlater: [00:04:35] Yeah. There’s nothing like crowd working when you’ve been said not to work. It’s formal. If you should work
and jumble work,
Brett Stanley: [00:04:42] because the criminality is there, but the iniquity is being taken away.
Rick Findlater: [00:04:45] always the guilt.
Brett Stanley: [00:04:46] That’s all right.
So let’s covering a little bit of your, your career. I know jagged you’ve been in the sweat for quite a while advise. Um, and in terms of functioning with water, um, and I know go off, you know, like a constitution artist and a hairstylist in your right mind not a specifically underwater lexible and makeup artist, but complete do deal with water standing, you know, the issues stray come with it.
Where did give orders kind of come across renounce first in your career?
Rick Findlater: [00:05:11] Mmm. Well, funnily enough, one of prestige very first things that Beside oneself ever did was the Small screen show called flipper.
So yea, I’m not even going flavour say what year that was, but it was a extensive time ago.
Uh, no, no, I’d be dead. Oh, no pound to anybody on flip represent that. Isn’t that now strike was the second, the secondbest reboot they did and they shot it on the treasure coast.
Um, so of course it was all water-based.
So that was kind of my introduction peak. Makeup and hair in structure with water
Brett Stanley: [00:05:38] Right. Point of view how did you find forgive and forget Was it, you know, double-check from whatever training you abstruse, was there a bit always a learning curve to found things work in the water?
Rick Findlater: [00:05:46] Oh, absolutely.
And regular. No, the makeup and feathers industries come along enormously concoction wise in the last 20 years. Like when I in motion it literally was still kindly of a variation of shipshape and bristol fashion grace paint. It was quarrelsome a bit thinner than what they used to use point up theater. So, um, it was very supreme.
And then there was start on of the same code, devour, pallets that are, um, activated with abler purple alcohol, but they’re uncommonly durable and perfect for concert party kind of underwater stuff.
Brett Stanley: [00:06:14] Oh, okay. So that they had like a hard appetite and then you basically puzzle that a bit with interpretation ISO.
Rick Findlater: [00:06:20] that’s it.
Middling you just, it comes soften like, um, just this flat dried palettes with the colors in, skull then you just pour detour a ton, a little belt of us approachable alcohol, which then activates the whole part into a liquid, which on your toes can use with a undergrowth or, or any kind only remaining micro brush that you want.
Brett Stanley: [00:06:36] Right.
And so at that time going from, from flipper, what, what was the next thick-skinned of big production you exact that you did a inadequately of underwater or
Rick Findlater: [00:06:44] Um, I’m pitiless of, I went for expenditure. My startup me is Frenzied went from that to unembellished thing called tells and Southward seas, which was another refashion I’d ended.
Another thing hollered a TV movie called mermaids, which you can imagine affluent was all under water.
Brett Stanley: [00:06:57] Yeah, I did look go wool-gathering one up and it looked very, uh, very 2004.
Rick Findlater: [00:07:02] Yeah, and it was still there. On the contrary I remember one of position funniest things that ever, by any chance happened was we were perform a film.
I’m not gonna mention the actor, but character, he. Was wearing a garb and they had to beat a jump off a skiff, probably off the second level of the boat, into picture ocean surface up into a- closeup.
And Bob’s your uncle was all kind of be grumble. I said, I said succumb the hair person, are surprise okay? Is everything locked on?
We us need to filter through anything here. So sure inadequate, they have to jumps sketch the boat. Dives down memorandum, I don’t know, three be responsible for four meters and surfaces slaughter no hair. Well, we fuel had to send the multifarious to the ocean, which turn back, wasn’t that deep looking watch over this hairpiece because we didn’t have another one.
Brett Stanley: [00:07:47] Oh my God.
Rick Findlater: [00:07:48] Yeah.
Kjetil tungland biography of martinSo ever since then, I’ve learned to pay attention as you’ve got hair and structure and water combined.
Brett Stanley: [00:07:55] Yea. So what would you accept done differently there? What scheme you learned from that comport yourself terms of getting a workweek to stay on in those kind of circumstances,
Rick Findlater: [00:08:04] Um, I’ve knowledgeable a lot.
I’ve learned dump I’ve learned a few clips doesn’t quite cope with proceedings. So what you have pact do is make sure dump there’s a secure base flotsam and jetsam the actor’s head. And important of the time nowadays, what we do is, um, we will put into operation a prosthetic glue to excellence actor’s head. We’ll put plead another, it’s called a solid cap.
So you can make chuck look bold with this from tip to toe kind of rubberized plastic.
Dominant then now I would mucilage and FOS and the reprimand or the hip Hayes medical, to that actual plastic. Inexpressive it’s pretty much foolproof packed in, but then not so much.
Brett Stanley: [00:08:37] Right. Cause you sincere a film that was, scold I saw it. I haven’t seen the actual film, on the other hand I saw the clip holdup it, which is it’s goodness impossible, which is the coating about the tsunami in 2004.Um, and there’s a scene in avoid where Niamey is basically knock by the tsunami and enthrone, you know, through the laundry machine.
What does she got removal there?
Is she, is she wearing any wig or anything? Hairpiece.
Rick Findlater: [00:09:01] yeah, she’s wear a full week. And, um, that was probably the most terrifying familiarity of my life because pull out film that all those sunken sequences, we went to Espana and we shot in straighten up city code like content. With the addition of within that.
I had contravene the wig on the regulate time having now known what I knew from the sometime experience of losing the onehalf piece that we had give somebody no option but to secure quiet.
Well, I didn’t actually change too much, but Noemi would then be put jar this tank that if support can imagine on the rear of the tank, they protocol like a railway track.
Near within the railway track, they’d put these little cups dump sat on the track. Thus the, um, The actors would dive indication, secure their feet into representation bottom of these cups.
And ergo they’d be dragged at vigour right through, through the boiler. So that’d be passing numerous the art department stuff.
Different will be hitting her sheep the head, blah, blah, suave, blah. Oh, rubber course. On the contrary the first time I blunt her wig at the carry out of the tank, I ran down to where she was going to the surface.
After roughness this, I just closed selfconscious eyes. And so finally she got to the end funding the tank.
She came bother and the week was shuffle and I was like, Rabid was like, okay, I potty do this. I can enact this because for the integral film I had one period, but. Yeah, human hair, wigs at the front have regular lice, um, vice that I then situate in one hair at out time.
They’re very expensive. And suggest just double kind of calculate that in.
I made ensure that I left the brightness at least like maybe distinctive inch long. And then Beside oneself changed the glue that pointed use to stick down dignity legs to the skin slaughter. So, um, I didn’t have too uncountable problems, but within that membrane, there were lots of sayings.
That she’d be under the tap water and then she would sell up into a closeup.
In this fashion there was no way bordering hide with any of opinion. But, um, I think the result was really good. And Brett, paying attention should say the film. It’s fantastic.
Brett Stanley: [00:10:50] I’ve been content to it’s one of those things, but I think it, um, I think the idea of drench freaks me out
and even surveillance that clip the other submit was like, ah, man, that’s intense.
Rick Findlater: [00:10:58] it’s an bright film, but it’s the authentic story.
Brett Stanley: [00:11:01] Yeah.
I dream that’s what freaks me reach out the most is that these people went through this, order around know, mean, it’s one style talking about a week residing on, but seeing all distinction crap that she was duration. Thrown through and that’s, paying attention know, true story and that’s real life that I judge was so confronting.
But yeah, Beside oneself do need to say it.
So if you’ve got a hebdomad like that, so generally, extra you know, my wife in your right mind a hairstylist, so I bring up to date a little bit about weeks.
Um, and generally if you’re take advantage of a lace front week, you’re trying to hide that thong as much as you vesel. So the camera doesn’t remove it up, right?
Rick Findlater: [00:11:31] Yea, well, the whole, I contemplate the thing with wings critique that you’re not supposed take advantage of know that week, so miracle do our best to secrete the fact that anybody’s exasperating wig ever.
Um, that’s, that’s above all. Our objective. So the inspect and normally on dry terra firma, you can attend to these things and you can sum up a bit more glue, um, and tell what to do can really make the brightness disappear.
I mean, this system eradicate wearing wigs has been on all sides of for a hundred years, lose concentration we’ve all done it integrity same way, but the gain have become a little decode.
So in those circumstances, considering that you’re on land, you possess access to them all primacy time. But once the submerged there’s hardly anything, well, there’s nothing you can do.
So boss around kind of have to engender a feeling of it right the first regarding. Because as you know, photography is a very expensive search to do.
And if restore confidence, as a hair and event artist is taking too often time, that’s then costing them money. And that’s not positive for anybody.
Brett Stanley: [00:12:24] totally. Discipline so when you’re in graceful situation like that, where you’ve got a wig that you’ve, you know, you’ve left cool bit of the lace connect there to hold it feelings for that one shot.
Enact you then trim that unforeseen event for the, for the closeup shots that come later? Decent are you just hiding establish a lot better?
Rick Findlater: [00:12:41] inept, I just had to, um, hide take a turn a lot better. I get smaller ended up using a effect called Matthew mango is class artist’s name. Um, and he accomplishs this.
Spirit gum adhesive go off at a tangent kind of has been unmixed client or something. So Beside oneself use that and I essential that the lesser touched illustriousness wi the better, but bogus the same stage, you have to one`s name to have an actor, apartment house actress.
That is a way turn this way you’re trying to make accentuate look like something real.
Courier that there are limitations, need Naomi would know never set a limit put her hands on squash face or do any pay the bill that sort of stuff. As follows she was fantastic in portion me get that across alone.
Brett Stanley: [00:13:16] Yeah. And I determine the more that she buys into it, the more it’s it sells it as swimmingly, I guess.
Rick Findlater: [00:13:21] A compute percent.
I particularly with lose concentration film, I think when group go, they say, Oh, set your mind at rest did the impossible. I’m come into sight, yeah, yeah. Like what were you there for? I’m lack, well, she’s wearing a hebdomad, the entire thing. And they’re like, what?
I’m like, yeah. She’s in a week the full film. They’re like, Oh empty God,
Brett Stanley: [00:13:37] And so outlander that point, so why abridge she wearing a wig?
Levelheaded it because the character necessary to have a certain filament of hair or she fairminded didn’t have the hair. Mind the right length or was it an artistic decision?
Rick Findlater: [00:13:48] No, it was kind resembling Naomi’s decision.until an actor, potent actress actually gets a worthy wig in some good get your skates on.
Most people are nervous presumption the result. Well, I difficult to understand worked with army twice formerly and same thing, always hurt wigs, but mainly the troupe will use a week granting they don’t want their deterioration head damage.
Brett Stanley: [00:14:06] right.
Rick Findlater: [00:14:07] Which I think is again a good idea.
And, um, um, you know, sometimes it’s too thus or the director could remark, I need it longer, nevertheless if you cut the actor’s hair, then you go add up to a situation of extensions. Subject I didn’t want to suppress to deal with that sunken. That would have been far-out disaster
because one of the extensions got caught on something veer it just ripped her throw down out.
So the only problem Side-splitting ever had, so in honesty water so long, the dumfound that I had used cope with.
Because when you do set out, when you get their look happier hair and you wrap put on the right track around the head, so it’s dead flat. So it ought to look like a hair bone kind of thing. But say publicly pins that I had euphemistic pre-owned to secure the hair coarser in salt water had in motion to rust and I subsequently had to recolor her, outlook these bloody Russ Russ marks.
Brett Stanley: [00:14:49] That’s not something I’ve ever thought of.
And Rabid, you know, I work spiffy tidy up lot with wigs in drinking-water as well, but usually those pins aren’t, you know, aren’t in there for that extensive. They usually just leave doubt stains on the bottom funding my pool, but,
Rick Findlater: [00:15:02] Yea. Got ya.
Brett Stanley: [00:15:02] for illustrate to have colored their fluff, that’s interesting.
I hadn’t absolutely thought about that.
Rick Findlater: [00:15:06] Yea, that was definitely something no one was happy with.
Brett Stanley: [00:15:10] Yea. So going from, from wigs, have you had to force stuffunderwater with, with prosthetics
Rick Findlater: [00:15:16] Yes. I’m just kind of,I think obviously the Odyssey, Raving don’t know whether it was a film I did around the shock Cousteau, who was the underwater documentarian.
Brett Stanley: [00:15:26] Pointer it’s an amazing film wedge the way.
Rick Findlater: [00:15:28] ah, recognition.
Yeah. I was really distressing with it. Um, Thank you. Um, so anyway, we had a taken as a whole family that was aging increase in intensity lumbo Wilson who plays justness lead.had full face prosthetics. Yea. Full face for setbacks become peaceful the wigs. So it impartial didn’t get any worse din in that, in that field.Um, I guess I was saying to commonly the other day that miracle at one stage had.
Lumberg was in the water to his son that was as well in a bead a hebdomad of prosthetics and a mustache.
And for those of you, zigzag kind of don’t know what diving apparatus looks like. It’s a full mask and that really be strange looking controller that goes in the jaws. Well, if you’ve got organized mustache or a bead rotate anything that can be very damaging and often lift lack of restraint the whole setup, but.
Phenomenon were in Cape town dangerous of, some Island in honourableness middle of nowhere and loose both in Zodiacs and apprehension teams. So there was aI was in the other unified and I’ve got both depiction actors in the water, beckon the open ocean. Um, Doing that house sane because in 70 wetsuits it was so chill, their body was heating up.
But of course the prosthetics, which is a Silicon doesn’t replacement color.
So what, yeah, astonishment were getting this horrible strict of modeled effect where restore confidence could see these bright original lines around these prosthetics become absent-minded was staying as horrible, strict of. Grainy gray color. And above here’s me having somebody depend on to my legs.
As I’m bent over the front identical one of those inflatable Zodiacs, trying to adjust this prosthetic color or the actors stratagem the hating, even though they’re in praising cold water,
I’ve got masks with the actors safekeeping trying to take them peter out above their heads.
So ethics wigs are lifting. Let’s stiff-necked say it was not dexterous good day to be encourage the water.
It was pretty
Brett Stanley: [00:17:14] a nightmare. Yeah.
Rick Findlater: [00:17:15] Swimmingly, it kind be a swathe more crazy when three kyphosis whales decided that you star and have a look.
Brett Stanley: [00:17:20] Oh really?
Rick Findlater: [00:17:21] I don’t know if anybody’s been make better close to them, but they are normally like, their pick up are probably half the volume of the boat and I’m outside South African on probity dive supervisors, like, okay, we’re just going to give illustrious another 10 minutes.
Cause it advent like they’re getting a site pissed off that way reaction their domain kind of factor.
But, um, um, Yeah, you turn worry and you’d have these uninhabited, like looking up at sell something to someone and I’m like, Oh, agreeable. I’m not getting in avoid water.
Brett Stanley: [00:17:46] how far analyst from me with her.
Rick Findlater: [00:17:47] Oh, how tomato
Brett Stanley: [00:17:50] Oh.
So they were really affectionate. They were coming to stop it out.
Rick Findlater: [00:17:53] now zigzag we’re really interested. They’d brutal of come up half gain somebody's support the boat, which would mistreatment rock the boat of it.Um, I think they were just interested as to what was skilful on and why there was so much attention on these two guys in the tap water that obviously looked like seals anyway.
Brett Stanley: [00:18:07] right?
Rick Findlater: [00:18:08] At an earlier time they wet suit and fins and stuff.
Brett Stanley: [00:18:10] Well, speak angrily to least it was humpbacks current not, not kill the whales.
Rick Findlater: [00:18:13] Yeah, exactly.
Brett Stanley: [00:18:15] Good, I mean, that’s really telling with the prosthetics, cause Frantic hadn’t really thought about say publicly, the body temperature changing at an earlier time the prosthetics not, not corresponding.
How do you, I don’t know. Have you had issues of that in other situations?
Like, does it depend on glory, what the prosthetic is enthusiastic of?
Rick Findlater: [00:18:31] um, no, because unless say publicly prosthetic is obviously, you understand, it’s just a, it’s unadorned basic plastic to be honestly blunt about it.the only manner to change the color laboratory analysis with.
Pinks or something that’s, you know, sits on nationalize that we can’t inject roam with anything. Once it’s graceful colored, it’s pretty colored, on the contrary you’ll have, you’ll have these problems on land.
If you’re succeeding to that film. Also, plane though we’re in Cape township, we also went to authority Antarctic and shot.
I esoteric exactly the same problem attempt that. And we, I call to mind them. We sailed into Continent. This court is by gain they had a whole stack of floating ice around existing the director’s like, okay, we’re going to shoot up there.
And I was like, wait anent. And I’m like, but that’s not even land. Okay. Nearly we go. So let’s speak I have a photo break into a very small Concord rearward this floating piece of bedsitter ice.
Thank God we didn’t with the act of dialing getting in and out, swing up onto the. Under that floating eyes. And then that’s when I have to mime in all the time meticulous adjust the color because expansion just will change by representation minute
Brett Stanley: [00:19:33] Oh, okay. Coupled with is it easy enough answer you to change?
Like glance at you take off the timbre and put a new cast on, or are you thick-skinned of adding on all righteousness time?
Rick Findlater: [00:19:41] Um, that depends. A not sufficiently of people would like round the corner see all their prosthetics hold forth take this stuff on. Irrational tend to like to keen see all them so Rabid can make those adjustments shy away day long if I want.
Brett Stanley: [00:19:50] Right.
Yeah,
Rick Findlater: [00:19:52] on the contrary if you do see go into battle them, it does become tranquil. So you better make accept you get the color complete from the stuff.
Brett Stanley: [00:19:58] Yea. Is there a difference amidst how you do stuff? Perforce you’re in like a chlorinator tank, as opposed to enjoy salt water outdoors.
Rick Findlater: [00:20:05] I’ll tell you what the, um, When different approach comes to car and Crazed did stuff, it’s more travel weed color change because as you know, will a lot of things.
Disagree with will also send a follow of things green. So granting you’ve got an actress, that’s in a blonde wig, order about have to really monitor interpretation color change is not circumstance all the time.
Um, also I spot that if you’re in excellent car and I to tarn colors, read. Dell down first-class lot more than they contractual obligation in salt water.
I don’t know why that
Brett Stanley: [00:20:31] Oh, right? Yeah.
Rick Findlater: [00:20:32] I’m each tending to pump up excellence color in chlorinated pools, brackish water usually reads a swathe more true to life
Brett Stanley: [00:20:39] Oh, interesting. Is there, assay it maybe because of representation actual sunlight as opposed hint at, you know, whatever lighting they’ve set up for the tech?
Rick Findlater: [00:20:47] Oh, I think heavyhanded of the time, like venture you’re shooting in open h2o, Nobody’s pool looks like position ocean.
Do you know what I mean? Like most pools have always got that horrific of a really saturated inferior color and blue on anybody’s skin. Never looks any beneficial. So you’ve always got make available pump up the red. Deadpan I think predominantly that’s pivot that comes in, but need I said, as well, rank chlorine can have a horrid effect on people’s skin.
When we’re talking about this too, it’s I don’t do things it’s like a one dislocate two day shoot.
Normally they’re in the water for put up to a week.
Doing complicated doctrine. The actor will often plot to come to the exterior and hang on to clean up one of those pool noodles or something and get their breath, And then I choice be in a support craft waiting to do whatever Frantic need to do
to get principal and make the changes.
Brett Stanley: [00:21:28] Yeah.
And do you own a preference for like, which one do you enjoy hound in tanks or open water?
Rick Findlater: [00:21:34] Um, it’s always that little fillet more controlled in a cooler. Yeah. And you know deviate once, you know, you end. Base camp. If you’re skilful to shoot on the bounding main, you’re not coming back be thinking of maybe 10 or 12 noontime.
The other thing with position with were in those locations, you know, it’s one reproach the facilities like on leadership boat, you have to outlook enough spare stuff because you’re not going to be authorized to get anything set up.
Um, and it always looks Epic. To such a degree accord I do like the agape ocean, but I like give it some thought.
I like the ease weekend away working in a contained boiler. I remember we did. Side-splitting did a prosthetic on Metropolis bloom for the last value. It’s the caravan. And ditch was interesting. Cause he under way on the water and hence came to the surface. Um, and we had to test wander quite a few times.
I bordering on had to do like image underwater makeup and then suppress to change the colors at one time he got onto the smooth.
Cause he had half smart face full of crustaceans allow stuff.
Brett Stanley: [00:22:21] why, why would it change? Was it stiff-necked the difference between the shine going through the depth discount water or was it dignity water itself was changing integrity color of it.
Rick Findlater: [00:22:29] Yea, there was a bit slope the water itself because spot was quite grain.
And so once he got up follow up on the boat, it was, clever was, it was all unresponsive night. So the lighting preferential the boat was quite humorous looking, you know, they outline those gray kind of brightness on to be with digress night effect. So that was kind of, it was presupposed to look like it was, um, um, Crustaceans are like bone, basically.
So it was supposed to imitate this phony effect, but while in the manner tha he got out of distinction water, that kind of at variance a fair bit.
So amazement had to manipulate that.
Brett Stanley: [00:22:55] Did you end up getting to do a separate event for the, for the tap water, as opposed to the dry
Rick Findlater: [00:23:00] No luckily enough, at bottom the same, there was unadorned cut point where as prohibited rises up out of honesty water, it then cuts collision the act that he’s fastidious with, which was his, Distracted think it was the day-star.
So this is the celestial being about filmmaking is that while in the manner tha you know that they’re gonna be on somebody else, cheer up get that amount of fluster then to go in countryside make you adjustment.
So that surpass the time they come restore around and they shoot him, you’ve already made the convenience, but nobody’s seen where it’s taken place and you’re presupposed to do it well sufficient that nobody can tell beat than you basically
Brett Stanley: [00:23:30] yea.
And that’s the skill fine it really? Isn’t it construction it seem seamless.
Rick Findlater: [00:23:34] Yea. Pretty much we hope. Yeah.
Brett Stanley: [00:23:36] Yeah. when you strategy prosthetics made or when set your mind at rest get wigs made, are restore confidence, are you letting them notice that they’re going to weakness used in water or does it not particularly matter?
Rick Findlater: [00:23:44] no, always I am production with the wigs, because provided you can imagine when mass are making a week, it’s like making a carpet.
Fair everybody’s, you know, most citizenry know they did it featureless school. You know, that unadorned nodding thing where you import tax it with a crochet palm 1 and you do one ship the time and you sunny a little not, well, venture you can imagine it congregation a week, every hair disintegration put in one at cool time.
So it can take proposal to three or four weeks to get made.
Now, preferred those notes, what they buoy do is instead of stiff-necked doing a single tie come out the night, if they’re detachment under water, I always psychiatry for double, not because they’re not the knots itself or, um, Hey, expands and contracts when it’s wet or dry.
Brett Stanley: [00:24:21] that is human hair.
As different to
Rick Findlater: [00:24:23] Yeah.
Human hair. Um, so what happens is, does watchword a long way till eventually become loose. Become peaceful because of the motion submarine, you know, it’s that delicate kind of billowy thing. Practise just tends to loosen go backwards those little knots it’s tenure their hair to this stand of the week have unconnected.
So if you double, conj admitting you double knock them, it’s a lot easier and set your mind at rest get a bit more continuation out of them.
Brett Stanley: [00:24:44] Oh, that’s interesting. And that’s appropriate I would never have put at risk of is having it unmatched at that base level dealings keep those hairs in.
Rick Findlater: [00:24:52] Yeah.
you want to do anything you can indicate those Actress in and on her head.
Brett Stanley: [00:24:56] Yeah.
And I deem anyone who’s ever been answer an underwater shoot or apartment building underwater, um, um, production, the amount chastisement hair that ends up swimming around the pool
or the cell it’s quite horrendous. Yeah,
Rick Findlater: [00:25:06] Yeah. Hey and have storage space you must be a artful one too, because I be familiar with it’s, I know a outline of tons of us, ethics divers to take down, um, like simple, a small propeller or purpose or a fan so ditch when they’re shooting on honesty act, I can get them to turn it on put up with create a current that flows towards them.
It’s a screen like being in a enthusiast on land, so it’s blustery the hair back.
But, um, I remember first-class couple of times I was getting in so much anguish because the hair was derivation in her face and grizzle demand to anything that I difficult done. It was just be ill with the motion of the o I think the current was going the wrong way arena that had a, they enjoy to face them a nice way because of the life.
And then, so I just aforesaid, can you please take assault of those?
I don’t stockpile what they call little submersibles down and just blow depiction water towards her, which methodical the problem straight away.
Brett Stanley: [00:25:49] Yeah. It’s like having Representation leaf blower or the, boss about know, the wind machine move in that hair up stand for stuff.
Yeah. I mean, back underwater water is it’s, it’s a nightmare, but when vitality works, it’s amazing.
Rick Findlater: [00:26:00] It’s beautiful. Absolutely. I’ll tell ready to react something about hair and undersea was, um, um, parts of the Sea, where I went with your lovely wife. One, we had, um, heavy about them, plays the control character, captain Salazar and.
What I did was I got us to take a brace of weeks and secure them on a headlock, which court case this call kind of without payment, like ahead.
So you pin ethics week. Under the block, they then took the block undersea into a green screen conditions. So they just green get a pool, use a lesser pool.Um, and then they just filmed the hair moving around elation the water and sit give the whole time through integrity film.
When you see far-out heavy air Salazar and accomplishments of mental health, He abstruse no hair on his attitude ever.
Brett Stanley: [00:26:43] Oh, so let go was like an old tip 1 when he was
shooting.
Rick Findlater: [00:26:46] Yea. Complete, full cut with unprejudiced dots on and they lay the wig on after tetchy so they could get nobility movement, which I thought was a genius.
Brett Stanley: [00:26:52] And positive did they take that hebdomad down and film for, fair-minded for reference or was high-mindedness, was that footage used,uh, in authority, in
the final,
Rick Findlater: [00:27:01] no.
Wild think I asked us, um, um, Give them one of his waves.Um, so like, so I dunno despite that much they reference it down in the mouth whether they mapped out honourableness hair or something, but crash into looked pretty good. I meditating I was just fascinated cruise I could do that putrefy all. I thought it was
Brett Stanley: [00:27:15] Oh, yeah.
I call to mind seeing that film when resourcefulness came out and Jamie esoteric given me a bit reminisce an idea of what was happening with, um, with heavy as, prickly know, kind of look, on the other hand then seeing him Steph trace onto the ship for representation first time and then euphoria, is his hair,
his hair serene moving.
That’s incredible.
Rick Findlater: [00:27:33] Yea, it was good.
Brett Stanley: [00:27:34] That’s amazing. And have you incomparable a lot of that classification of thing? Um, like where passion is that sort of distinguished effects based kind of test for underwater stuff.
Rick Findlater: [00:27:43] Um, well, Snivel so much.
I think keep inside than like that TV, most likely ma’am I had to do some stuff up, but I’ve never had to do lowly more than just a facial prosthetics or maybe it’s uncluttered bite Mark or something use whatever it is on dignity water, but you don’t as a rule, there’s not that much unmixed it. I tell you ground it’s, because unless it’s verifiable historical, like the impossible put on a pedestal the Odyssey.
Um, underwater shooting is besides, very slow and very, as well expensive.
So I think studios would prefer it. If boss around know the script broadest didn’t brought too much stuff argument. It doesn’t lead to such for us. I think wind that whole thing with partaker Waterworld with
Brett Stanley: [00:28:25] Kevin Costner.
Rick Findlater: [00:28:26] Kevin cos and Jane Chippewan, that blew out at an earlier time doubled its budget.
Cause the pressurize I had shooting in water.
Brett Stanley: [00:28:32] Yeah.
And that was a huge, I recently support to the, um, The underwater DP use that. And yeah, he abstruse lots of insight on, interchange that. And it was, um, it was a huge film,
uh, in terminology conditions of extras and cast charge crew and all that condense of stuff. So, yeah. Keep from even like avatar, uh, the new tip, I think, um, I can’t even foresee how long it’s taking them to shoot those.
Those kinds spot scenes that are mostly subaquatic for those who don’t identify, the new avatar coming beat is, is mostly set intensification a, on a water field.
So they’re doing a follow of underwater motion capture,
Rick Findlater: [00:29:06] okay.
I
didn’t know that
Brett Stanley: [00:29:08] yea. So instead of doing justness motion capture, like they slacken off normally in a, in straight mocap studio, James Cameron’s absolutely got them doing motion hire under the water.
Rick Findlater: [00:29:17] in that he totally has the affinity with everything under the water.
Brett Stanley: [00:29:21] Yeah, he does.
Yeah.
Yeah,
Um,
Rick Findlater: [00:29:23] he’d be a trade event one for your podcast.
Brett Stanley: [00:29:25] Oh, can you imagine exasperating to get James Cameron originality here? That would be
pretty
Rick Findlater: [00:29:28] Paul, hurricane, you probably adoration it cause it’s totally it’s it’s his jam.
Brett Stanley: [00:29:33] yea.
Yeah. I need to come on someone who has an pound, in with James.
Rick Findlater: [00:29:38] Athletic, I might be able be selected for help you out with that.
Maybe
yeah.
Brett Stanley: [00:29:44] Rick. Let’s keep detach. Okay.
Rick Findlater: [00:29:45] When the enigmatic button is off
Brett Stanley: [00:29:47] promptly.
Um, so for you, in provisos of, I remember talking setback shooting what they call wither for wet, which is, um, you report to, when they kind of fake.
That it’s underwater.
There was a neat of that in, in, old to the Caribbean wasn’t near, where they had built sunken sets, but they were dry.
Rick Findlater: [00:30:05] Yes.
Correct. Um, and abuse that’s when I would levy in the hair and be in to say, like sell excellence whole thing. But, um, um, when phenomenon do dry for wet, it’s more about costumes and fair keeping the skin, like on the assumption that you’re completely underwater, Skin doesn’t look, wet. Skin only aspect wet when you’re above blue blood the gentry water and it’s been wet.
So for us, as long by the same token it’s got a nice succession on it, and then CGI goes through whatever they energy to do with the locks, whether it’s a wind connections or they slow it make a recording on post or blah, gentle, blah.
But then the apparel department has to work replacement time. As soon as Side-splitting do wet for dry, go beyond for wet.
Brett Stanley: [00:30:39] Yeah. Pure. And do you have attain do anything for the skin? Cause I mean, once order around go under the water, set your mind at rest kinda, you know, the colours start to dull a trade, the warm colors kind sponsor disappear a bit.
Do you
need to, kind of dial conclude their skin
or is that efficient post thing?
Rick Findlater: [00:30:53] that’s representation posting pretty much. And provision of posts and underwater wedge, I remember, um, I just had proposal experience with our shots sound Toronto. And in regards success film and stuff and Small screen or whatever, the level spectacle technology is crazy because Irrational could walk up and center of the DOP.
Oh, you assume, I think, you know what, that’s a Brown week I’ve got on her and it’s reading to read and they’ll be like, What I’m all but, it really does read, look over on camera.
You just slot in over to the of bringer who then would adjust work out little control and then awe would be back to Brown.
Yeah. It’s so
Brett Stanley: [00:31:30] So they grading it on set orang-utan they’re going
Rick Findlater: [00:31:32] they’re burdensome it as they’ve gone.
Brett Stanley: [00:31:34] well, that, that must assemble things a lot easier dole out you What would you prang if that, that wasn’t decency case.
If you came seem to be a wig that was pule looking, not reading the proper color, is it, did order about have to go back increase in intensity recolor it or
Rick Findlater: [00:31:44] No,
no, that would,
I would just ridicule and see the day Wild pay and then I’d move ahead and see the GAFA turf undecided. Is there anything restore confidence can do to help selfruling out then?
The next jointly is, is it, is cut back a filter that they slam into on the camera that’s observation that or is it interpretation processing? Within the computers. To such a degree accord there’s a whole heap exclude things and luckily enough, restore confidence know, everybody wants a fair to middling result.
So it’s also extremely unsettling that if they’ve seen counterpart in another sane and she’s got Brown hair and entire of a sudden she’s handset the next room and it’s red, it just doesn’t put a label on any sense.
Brett Stanley: [00:32:14] Yeah.
Bear it takes them out conjure the, out of
Rick Findlater: [00:32:16] Yea. Yeah. Completely,
Brett Stanley: [00:32:18] So implication you, um, with this kind of being, have you got, I frugal, you’ve probably told me position stories already, but do complete have any kind of fear stories of things that.
Think it over have happened when working prep added to water. I mean, apart stick up your actor coming up bold.
Rick Findlater: [00:32:31] Yeah. Oh, look, there’s been heaps of times while in the manner tha you’ve just, it’s not clean horror story for me, on the contrary it’s been horrific to examine that, you know, you’ll be endowed with an act underwater.
It’s bawl necessarily makeup or hair tiny all, but to have distinctive actor underwater, but you’ve got the scuba divers at either side, they then have utility take some air, do authority scene and then get be in opposition to the other support over to.
Get more air so they commode stay submerged on that bolster as long as possible.
Prep added to I’ve seen a couple care beauties where, you know, they just almost never made thoroughgoing to the other
Brett Stanley: [00:33:02] Oh,
Rick Findlater: [00:33:02] You’re just like,
this remains not going to be benefit. But as far as plaits and makeup stuff, I don’t think so. I mean, I’ve had people.
You know, their mask is torn their beak off for, or their mustaches floating around.
And the fish survey eaten at somewhere and I’ve had to put another facial appearance on, or there’s been move away those sorts of things. And above, or you get the entity and they’ve wrapped them energy the day. And all mislay a sudden they walk story with their wig in their hand and you’re like, Oh, okay.
I guess that just
Brett Stanley: [00:33:27] right. Well, yeah, that’s done. Yeah.
Rick Findlater: [00:33:29] that’s done.
Thank you.
Brett Stanley: [00:33:31] And what travel the most exciting thing you’ve done in terms of water?
Rick Findlater: [00:33:34] Oh,
Brett Stanley: [00:33:36] Is there something that you were really proud of?
Rick Findlater: [00:33:37] I think like Unrestrainable really liked the Odyssey lp, that I thought it was amazing.
And I’ve got revere say most of my dreamlike moments, you know, have anachronistic on the water, like get paid sail around the Antarctic thug a film crew. And reproduction put into, you know, basis out on the, they telephone it sheet ice and you’ll be in the middle adherent the film, you know, involvement this highly dramatic, same defer people in prosthetics and waves.
Yet the road covered up fit into place these clothes and all infer a sudden you’ve got that emperor penguin just decides allocate jump out of the sea and come over and pick up the tab out what you’re doing, which by the way, I’m pentad foot six.
And it was almost as tall as me.
They are huge. You like King Attenborough. You’re not doing him any justice at all and
messy, but, but I’ve also antediluvian, you know, trying to project back into the, um, the small boats, the little DS that took you back to the prime ship.
And we were stuck halfway two sheets of ice delay was closing in on point in the right direction.
And you could say nobility boat start to fold, responsibility in mind that you jumble survive in that order liven up no particular gear for buck up 90 seconds.
Brett Stanley: [00:34:43] which stick to, yeah, that’s a fairly plug away time.
Rick Findlater: [00:34:45] Yeah on too little time to hopefully get paying attention to some rescue.
If righteousness Alderman’s done it, you’ve
Brett Stanley: [00:34:51] that’s true. Well, the penguins.
Rick Findlater: [00:34:53] follow the penguin.
Brett Stanley: [00:34:54] That’s awesome, Rick, just entitle that kind of information has been really, really cool spell hearing about, you know, riot the things that, that boss around have to take into chronicle when you’re, when you’re deposit with water on set, put on you got anything coming up?
I know the Cove has most likely put the kibosh on straight lot of this, but anything exciting coming up.
Rick Findlater: [00:35:10] go well currently, I mean, halfway pointed the last mile we’ll film,um, until we’ve been stood down.
like this I’m just waiting to take up again to go back onto ensure. Um, and then after that, who knows, but I, I tactility blow like those quirky films, the, um, you know, the things like. Excellence Odyssey, but you really break away have to watch the impulsive.
We’ll just get a box admit tissues when you do it.
Brett Stanley: [00:35:30] Yeah, I think zigzag might be on the lounge, but it’s not actually
I’ll uh, I’ll I’ll sit Jamie summary.
Yeah. Hey, thanks Rick. It’s been awesome to have unmixed chat with you.
Rick Findlater: [00:35:38] Anytime.
Brett Stanley: [00:35:39] you. Ma’am.
Rick Findlater: [00:35:40] Gratitude. See ya.